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		<title>By: Surf’s Up: Creativity Links for September 30, 2008 &#171; Creative Liberty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surf’s Up: Creativity Links for September 30, 2008 &#171; Creative Liberty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1. If you take digital photographs and store them on your computer, it’s inevitable that a hiccup in your hard drive can send you fretting if you haven’t saved them elsewhere. The Epic Edits photoblog recently kicked off a series on digital security with a post offering hyperlinks to a broad spectrum of information on the issue, from a Wikipedia entry on backups to posts by professional photographers Jim Goldstein and Jim Talkington. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. If you take digital photographs and store them on your computer, it’s inevitable that a hiccup in your hard drive can send you fretting if you haven’t saved them elsewhere. The Epic Edits photoblog recently kicked off a series on digital security with a post offering hyperlinks to a broad spectrum of information on the issue, from a Wikipedia entry on backups to posts by professional photographers Jim Goldstein and Jim Talkington. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Photo Backup: An Intro to Data Security</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photo Backup: An Intro to Data Security</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Digital Workflow: Preserve Those Captures If you think you&#8217;re doing enough to backup your photos, take a look at this article by Jim Talkington. From a pro&#8217;s perspective, this is all just a part of doing business. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Digital Workflow: Preserve Those Captures If you think you&#8217;re doing enough to backup your photos, take a look at this article by Jim Talkington. From a pro&#8217;s perspective, this is all just a part of doing business. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My First Photo Gig - Matthew Botos</title>
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		<dc:creator>My First Photo Gig - Matthew Botos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] shooting the event, I took another tip and made an immediate DVD backup of the digital negatives (RAW files). A recent experience in which [...]</description>
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		<title>By: digital workflow: preserve those captures &#124; pro photo life&#160;&#124;&#160;Allyn Edmonds</title>
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		<dc:creator>digital workflow: preserve those captures &#124; pro photo life&#160;&#124;&#160;Allyn Edmonds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Continue Reading: digital workflow: preserve those captures &#124; pro photo life [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Celso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for asking, but what software do you use to make the covers for those jewel cases?

Just asking because the ones I tried to use didn&#039;t print the borders so I wouldn&#039;t know where to cut them :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for asking, but what software do you use to make the covers for those jewel cases?</p>
<p>Just asking because the ones I tried to use didn&#8217;t print the borders so I wouldn&#8217;t know where to cut them :/</p>
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		<title>By: PhotoNetCast #4 - Keeping your photos safe with regular backups and Embarrassing Moments &#124; PhotoNetCast</title>
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		<dc:creator>PhotoNetCast #4 - Keeping your photos safe with regular backups and Embarrassing Moments &#124; PhotoNetCast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 12:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Digital Workflow: Preserve those captures [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Link Roundup 05-17-2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link Roundup 05-17-2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] digital workflow: preserve those captures pro photo life If you think you&#8217;re doing enough to backup your photos, take a look at this article by Jim Talkington. From a pro&#8217;s perspective, this is all just a part of doing business. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] digital workflow: preserve those captures pro photo life If you think you&#8217;re doing enough to backup your photos, take a look at this article by Jim Talkington. From a pro&#8217;s perspective, this is all just a part of doing business. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luis Gracia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis Gracia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

so far I was relying on hard drives. But hard drives have a high rate of failure (apparently higher than advertised by manufactures: http://www.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder.html). 
I don&#039;t have a raid array, and if I had one I would probably be less paranoid.

However, I honestly don&#039;t care much if DVDs are better hard drives for long term storage, I care about having access to my photos in 20+ years. I think that having backups in 2 different media is much safer, and that&#039;s the direction I want to go.

Recently I did a lot of reading in http://club.cdfreaks.com/ and a couple other places to find the best possible DVDs for long term storage. Everybody seems to agree on Taiyo Yuden, as you pointed out in the article. However it is difficult to find opinions about the new Gold DVDs from Delkin and other manufactures, and even more difficult to find comparisons between these and Taiyon Yuden. So I settle for Taiyon for the time being.

You can find them in DVD-R and DVD+R. These is another area of debate. I chose DVD+R based on this article:
http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media

There are also different series of TY DVDs (YUDEN000T02 and YUDEN000T03), I chose T02 because it is 8x, and that&#039;s the maximum that my burner can do (the newer T03 is 16x).

Then you have to select Silver Lacquer or White Inkjet, and some other option I don&#039;t remember.

And finally if you want them wrapped in plastic or in a cake box with spindle, the later being better. This is were I did my mistake (there had to be one! and probably more that I haven&#039;t catch yet), I chose wrapped by mistake and I can tell you lose at least the bottom DVD because the wrapping doesn&#039;t cover the bottom of the pack (that DVD is completely scratched, oh well).

I trusted the people on the cdfreeks forums about the resellers to use. This is the first time I bought from them. It seems like there are a lot of fake TY out there.

My plan is too burn at least 2 DVDs of each set of photos and store them in different 2 places (New York, where I live and my hometown in Spain). It&#039;s a bit too much, but it doesn&#039;t take much to do so, and I have peace of mind. I also plan to duplicate those DVDs in a few years, just to be on the safe side. That should be easy enough.

Best,

Luis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>so far I was relying on hard drives. But hard drives have a high rate of failure (apparently higher than advertised by manufactures: <a href="http://www.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder.html)" rel="nofollow">http://www.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder.html)</a>.<br />
I don&#8217;t have a raid array, and if I had one I would probably be less paranoid.</p>
<p>However, I honestly don&#8217;t care much if DVDs are better hard drives for long term storage, I care about having access to my photos in 20+ years. I think that having backups in 2 different media is much safer, and that&#8217;s the direction I want to go.</p>
<p>Recently I did a lot of reading in <a href="http://club.cdfreaks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://club.cdfreaks.com/</a> and a couple other places to find the best possible DVDs for long term storage. Everybody seems to agree on Taiyo Yuden, as you pointed out in the article. However it is difficult to find opinions about the new Gold DVDs from Delkin and other manufactures, and even more difficult to find comparisons between these and Taiyon Yuden. So I settle for Taiyon for the time being.</p>
<p>You can find them in DVD-R and DVD+R. These is another area of debate. I chose DVD+R based on this article:<br />
<a href="http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media" rel="nofollow">http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media</a></p>
<p>There are also different series of TY DVDs (YUDEN000T02 and YUDEN000T03), I chose T02 because it is 8x, and that&#8217;s the maximum that my burner can do (the newer T03 is 16x).</p>
<p>Then you have to select Silver Lacquer or White Inkjet, and some other option I don&#8217;t remember.</p>
<p>And finally if you want them wrapped in plastic or in a cake box with spindle, the later being better. This is were I did my mistake (there had to be one! and probably more that I haven&#8217;t catch yet), I chose wrapped by mistake and I can tell you lose at least the bottom DVD because the wrapping doesn&#8217;t cover the bottom of the pack (that DVD is completely scratched, oh well).</p>
<p>I trusted the people on the cdfreeks forums about the resellers to use. This is the first time I bought from them. It seems like there are a lot of fake TY out there.</p>
<p>My plan is too burn at least 2 DVDs of each set of photos and store them in different 2 places (New York, where I live and my hometown in Spain). It&#8217;s a bit too much, but it doesn&#8217;t take much to do so, and I have peace of mind. I also plan to duplicate those DVDs in a few years, just to be on the safe side. That should be easy enough.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Luis</p>
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		<title>By: Penny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw your link on Photoshop Insider  Love your site.  Will be coming back often.  This is a fantastic article, can&#039;t wait to read the rest of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw your link on Photoshop Insider  Love your site.  Will be coming back often.  This is a fantastic article, can&#8217;t wait to read the rest of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Talkington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Talkington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece on DNG, Iceman, I hope interested photogs will click over. You have a nice conversation started on the topic, one well worth pursuing. 

And that&#039;s a hot tip on the smaller quantity CD purchases, Luis. I&#039;m tagging those retailers to check them out. Are you using any particular brand of media? 

As for long-term storage of the RAW files on a hard drive, I always do that for my personal work but not for our studio work (we do have hard drive backups for our Working and Final files). The reasoning will be explained in future posts so details can be explained. The short version is, if in doubt, back it up wherever you can. Everyone has a different level of comfort. My friend Bobby C. backs up to three different hard drives. He also has the worst luck I&#039;ve ever seen with losing information!

I&#039;ve been tempted to completely abandon CDs and DVDs for storage since hard drives have gotten so darn cheap and are fast to use. Seems like a no-brainer. There&#039;s also a lot of fear that CDs and DVDs aren&#039;t archival. But personally I&#039;ve yet to have a CD/DVD lose information but have seen a number of hard drives go down. And when a hard drive goes down, years of data can be lost at one time. So I still go through burning disks. 

Doing both sure wouldn&#039;t hurt. More to come...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece on DNG, Iceman, I hope interested photogs will click over. You have a nice conversation started on the topic, one well worth pursuing. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s a hot tip on the smaller quantity CD purchases, Luis. I&#8217;m tagging those retailers to check them out. Are you using any particular brand of media? </p>
<p>As for long-term storage of the RAW files on a hard drive, I always do that for my personal work but not for our studio work (we do have hard drive backups for our Working and Final files). The reasoning will be explained in future posts so details can be explained. The short version is, if in doubt, back it up wherever you can. Everyone has a different level of comfort. My friend Bobby C. backs up to three different hard drives. He also has the worst luck I&#8217;ve ever seen with losing information!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been tempted to completely abandon CDs and DVDs for storage since hard drives have gotten so darn cheap and are fast to use. Seems like a no-brainer. There&#8217;s also a lot of fear that CDs and DVDs aren&#8217;t archival. But personally I&#8217;ve yet to have a CD/DVD lose information but have seen a number of hard drives go down. And when a hard drive goes down, years of data can be lost at one time. So I still go through burning disks. </p>
<p>Doing both sure wouldn&#8217;t hurt. More to come&#8230;</p>
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